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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 23, 2010 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: National Opt-Out Day undead

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101122/D9JL5O2G1.html

Some lines must be drawn . This is an anathema to our civil society . These are police state tactics . I encourage all to protest tomorrow in any non-violent manner . Photo , videotape , record , write , share . There are not only more effective ways to provide security , but they do not involve such aggressive and demeaning tactics . If a terrorist is casing an airport , wouldn't it be more effective to become an employee at an airport ? If you know folks who work at airports , ask them . Once the have the golden credentials , most have near carte blanche access .
I was going to put up images of men , women and young ( 5, 6 ,7 years old ) children being groped by our civil servants , but they have already been abused enough . They are easy to find and make one's blood boil .

With respect to the forum , I will not post about this matter here again .

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Nov 24, 2010 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

Mandojammer

"For me - I don't fly. And if the rare occasion came up where I had to and my lucky number came up for the grip and grope, I would simply refuse and choose not to fly. No fuss, no fanfare."

WRONG! You can't change your mind once you get in line to be searched. Your fascist regeime is threatening reluctant passengers with a crime. The fine is $11 K.
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SomeDarkHollow

"But seriously, I love how the Tea-Baggers are blaming this all on Obama. Like him or not, this whole thing was almost pre-ordained when the Patriot Act came into being under the last administration."

This is bi-partisan fascism. Bush's former homeland security director is making a fortune too. Michael Chertoff is the chief lobbyist and a salesman, for that company which makes the naked body scanners...

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Poster: Gus Fan Date: Nov 24, 2010 5:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

One post is enough. Should be very popular. And controversy seems to be the only popular thing these days.

Meanwhile, the puritanical roots of this great nation are being exposed once again; complaints of being personally violated coming from the people who WILLINGLY choose to travel by air.

Newsflash: Flying is a process that requires responsible others (meaning not you) to act in ways intended to preserve the safety and security of citizens (yes, you). Be thankful.

Suck it up and step into the machine. Nobody cares about your anatomy, anyway. Nobody will touch you and the TSA agent will sleep better tonight knowing he did a thorough job without having to make someone uneasy about being touched. Or worse, will not feel the enormous guilt of missing something that had catastrophic results.



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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 24, 2010 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

I suppose if you want to cut a tomato with a sledgehammer you could do that .
Have you studied how El Al ( the most targeted airline ever ) conducts security ? Or many other countries ? You may be comfortable being digitally strip searched ( I'm sure they are deleted immediately ) or having a TSA agent ( who hasn't changed his gloves in a while ) feel you up .
If flying is a responsibility to others , what were all those duty free glass bottles of alcohol I saw on my last trip to PR ? No , I'm sure no one would ever break one and have their way on a plane or maybe make a little Molotov cocktail .
If this was the only way , so be it . But it's not . Not even close . Why do you throw your God given rights away ( 4th Amendment ) when you do not have all the information ?
Is it that easy ?
And a partial explanation to why this was chosen ( don't worry it's quick ),
http://www.allgov.com/Where_is_the_Money_Going/ViewNews/Body_Scanners_Create_Profits_for_Chertoff_and_Others_101123

It has been , and will always be , about the liberty . China has a booming economy if interested .

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Poster: ducats Date: Nov 24, 2010 4:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

i'm going to the airport today just for a FULL cavity search - not flying anywhere. whatever you could do to keep to your promise (and maybe NO NON DEAD) of never broaching the subject again would be great

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 24, 2010 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

So very true. This may be the best opportunity for many of the socially stunted participants around here to get felt up.

Mmmmmm, a 300 pound, sweaty TSA worker rubbing my special area with a latex-gloved hand. Sounds like a date to me.

But seriously, I love how the Tea-Baggers are blaming this all on Obama. Like him or not, this whole thing was almost pre-ordained when the Patriot Act came into being under the last administration.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 24, 2010 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

"Mmmmmm, a 300 pound, sweaty TSA worker rubbing my special area with a latex-gloved hand. Sounds like a date to me."

Pick you up at 8? Oh--alrighty...I suspect that "TSA" stands for "Terrapin Station Afficionado" and that just doesn't apply to me. Latex irritates my delicate skin anyhow.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 24, 2010 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead



SDH - You already know I despise all professional politicians, but in the interests of fairness, let's also understand that the current administration not only extended the Patriot Act, they also expanded it.

To allow for declaration of American citizens as terrorists and immediate suspension of their Constitutionally given right to due process.

A little over 200 years ago, such an act would have one twitching at the end of a rope for treason.

Here's the poser for me. I would venture to guess that most of the TSA agents are thinking to themselves, "This is really shitty, but what choice do I have? It's my job and if I don't do it I will get fired."

I have no doubt that this level of screening isn't going to stop anyone bent on terrorism, so the argument of "in the best interests of National Security" rings a little hollow.

But I sincerely believe that most of the TSA agents are pretty good people who are more worried about continuity of a paycheck for their families - so they pull on the gloves and do what they are told to do. It's pretty easy (and unfair) to say that "they" should "take a stand" by those who aren't doing what TSA agents are being told to do.

For me - I don't fly. And if the rare occasion came up where I had to and my lucky number came up for the grip and grope, I would simply refuse and choose not to fly. No fuss, no fanfare.

I have heard some feedback from some that one tactic that appears to be getting a little traction is if you choose not to be scanned by the "look at the 49 year old naked guy" machine and instead choose to be patted down, all you have to do is ask for uniformed police to be present and tell the TSA agent that you will comply with the pat down, but that he/she is not to touch you until you give them express permission to start. If they don't then you can have them arrested for assault. Here in Virginia, the Norfolk Police Department has shared jurisdiction at the airport and they are required to investigate the assault complaint. Which has so far consisted of taking the TSA agent into custody for questioning at least twice.

We'll see how this one plays out - but I have little hope that the solution lies with the Idiocracy in DC.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 24, 2010 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

I agree about the poor TSA agents. I read an article today about how pissed they are about having to do the new searches as well.
As for effectiveness, I've seen at least two interviews with former El Al security directors saying how useless these scans are.

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Poster: joeken Date: Nov 24, 2010 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

FYI Mando, according to the rules I read in todays Portland Oregonian, you would not be allowed to refuse and walk away. If your number comes up you MUST submit to one or the other, the rationalization being that a terrorist would refuse and cannot be allowed to just walk away.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 25, 2010 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

You can refuse and walk away. Then you will be arrested.

And then they will find out how good my lawyer is and how well I know Constitutional Law.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 25, 2010 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

And then your case will make its way all the way up to the Supreme Court and you'll find out how much the Roberts' court truly cares about that document...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 29, 2010 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

And then the Court will find out how much I care about that document.

"....all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Retirement did not relieve me of my oath and obligation.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 24, 2010 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

Are you kidding d , almost half my threads are non dead . Albeit most are tangential GD music and arts related .
I admire both your participation in National Opt-Out Day and your cost saving measures of putting our civil servants directly to work on you . Remember any videos , photos , audio , ect .
And indeed , yes , not a peep from me , or a broach .

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Poster: Gus Fan Date: Nov 24, 2010 6:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

Great idea Ducats!

Here's a kick butt quality aud. Nice to listen to this time of year.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1980-12-14.nak300.walker-scotton.miller.89058.sbeok.flac16




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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Nov 23, 2010 7:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

There was a video of a TSA pervert feeling out a three year old girl in Tennessee. The chickenshit Tribune Co. TV station pulled it down under government pressure. They invoked copyright laws, to prevent it from being seen on YouTube or anywhere else.

Another TSA sicko fondled a breast cancer victim and pulled out her plastic boobs in front of everybody. Did you hear about the bladder cancer guy? One of those morons squeezed a plastic bag and splattered piss all over the passenger and himself.

Meanwhile blowhards like Barack Obama and the new Republican speaker John Boehner will never be fondled at an airport; but these jive talking hypocrites know how you feel. Fuck em!

I'm not flying until these politically correct morons knock of this baloney and start profiling that bunch of religious wackos; who are responsible for 100% percent of this terrorism shit at the airport.

Cancel your flights. Stay home for the holidays. Things will change, when the airlines lose a big percentage of their businedss during peak travel periods. They'll go complaining to Congress and those gynecologist and proctologist exams will be banned...

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 23, 2010 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

a monumental bottleneck on the busiest travel day of the year will make someone pay attention to the injustice of the situation